What the hell are Democrats mad about, because they certainly aren’t mad at John Kerry for lobbying to hold Saddam accountable even during Clinton’s administration.

You make a very valid point, and I am disappointed with the many Dem leaders who spoke in favor of the war at the time.

However, many others (perhaps most notably Howard Dean) were very sceptical about the need for the war. I can’t recall any prominent Republicans who felt that way at the time.

Please take the time to read a small sample of the quotes listed on the above link before reading on and responding.

I’m so sick and tired of idiot liberals being so incredibly stupid and one sided that they can’t even take the time to look at their own leaders. You morons should take half a second to read or listen to what people on the left of politics said about the war before it happened, and then compare that to what they are saying now. You leftist idiots are mad at Republicans for starting an alledgedly illegal war, but then your answer is to elect the liberal idiots who cast the same vote.

Notice, I didn’t even bother to defend Republicans, I’m just interested to see how liberals defend their own leaders when they make the same decisions and judgments as republicans.

My info comes from several sources, but the following is a good one for an overview and definition of my point: http://www.answers.com/topic/state-terrorism

I will also summarize from this site:

“State terrorism is a controversial term which means violence against civilians perpetrated by a national government or proxy state. Whether a particular act is described as “terrorism” may depend on whether the International community considers the action justified or necessary, or whether the described act is carried out as part of an armed conflict…. State terrorism, where applicable, may be directed toward the population or infrastructure of the state in question or towards the population of other states…. The terrorism may be carried out by the state’s own forces, such as an army, police, state supported militias, or other organisations, where it is more usually called state-sponsored terrorism….

“The distinction between state and nonstate terror has been criticized as being morally relativist and as distracting from or justifying state terrorism perpetrated by favored states, typically those of wealthy and developed nations (Chomsky and Herman, 1979).The Spanish judge Baltasar Garzón views particular political systems as instances of state terrorism: “State terrorism is a political system whose rule of recognition permits and/or imposes a clandestine, unpredictable, and diffuse application, even regarding clearly innocent people, of coercive means prohibited by the proclaimed judicial ordinance.” It is obvious, that virtually any police or military action could be marked as the State Terrorism, according the definition. It depends on Point Of View only. Some acts of state terrorism also qualify as genocide, crimes against humanity or mass murder….”

“Often, the bodies of victims are secretly disposed, typically in mass graves, leaving no evidence of a crime and increasing the trauma to families and communities. These cases are known as “forced disappearances”, and take place particularly in South America. The UN Working Group on Enforced or Involuntary Disappearances was formed in 1980 to investigate the global phenomenon of unexplained disappearances.”

This is where I’m coming from. Your definition of a “terrorist” is accurate, but I also use an alternate definition of a “state terrorist” to fit a person who uses acts of terrorism to influence the citizens of his/her country, while he/she is in power in that country.

http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=64415

Neocons in both American and Israel influenced the decision to invade Iraq, without thinking Bush gave up the hunt for the real terrorists in the world, he broke up the global coalition to fight terrorists and went it virtually alone into Iraq where no terrorists existed.

A terrrorist applies such things externally, or against the existing governement. Since Hussein represented the existing government (like it or not), he doesn’t qualify.

Was he a despot? Absolutely. Did he fit the definition of a terrorist? No.

Exright: Like I said before, I really don’t know a lot about the Shiavo deal, so what anyone said or did on the topic, I’m not arguing about.

Scott: Why would Hussein in my example not meet the definition of terrorism or terrorist? A terrorist is someone who uses “violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.” That sounds exactly like Saddam’s regime to me.

“No connection between Iraq and terrorists, huh? Wasn’t Saddam Hussein a state terrorist? By which I mean a person who used threats of violence and had used in the past chemical weapons to intimidate his citizens into obeying him? Iraq under Hussein not only had connections to terrorism, it’s leader was a terrorist.”

That most certainly does NOT meet the criteria of terrorism. It does
show Hussein is/was a horrible example of humanity, but that was never really questioned.

Iraq did NOT support the export of terrorism, and did NOT support al-Qaida (despite attempts to claim otherwise in the run-up to the start of the war).

Rush Limbaugh visited Terri Schiavo gravesite and Rush told her to stop faking her vegetative state.

I love it when Republicans like you post your Frat boy goofy tirade. It just shows the more moderate posters just how bad the Republican party has become.

Your comments reflect rhetoric and ideology, very weak on facts. One can increase their political knowledge base by not only viewing foxed up news. Take the cure and limit the rush limblab drug attiict, the insane car salesman hanity, and the shreaking coulter. Air America is a great learning base for progressive liberal views and ideas.

Your post acclaims the republicans work for the good of America, well Hitler, Stalin, and Pinochet pushed that lie on their countries also.

As to Saddam using chemicals, research a little, he bought them from Rumsfeld who was supported by the evil republican regime at the time. Check it out.